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[–]ReelStats[S] 388 points389 points  (114 children)

1920s: 15 films

1930s: 9

1940s: 18

1950s: 44

1960s: 32

1970s: 23

1980s: 22

1990s: 39

2000s: 28

2010s: 20

[–]OneManFreakShow 42 points43 points  (14 children)

I’m surprised the 50s have so many and I’m surprised the 70s have comparatively few. Very glad to see a lot of picks from the 90s, though, because I’ve long argued that that and the 70s are the best decades for movies. The 70s gave us the birth of the blockbuster and big-budget auteur films, and the 90s paved the way for modern independent filmmaking.

[–]Enartloc 17 points18 points  (10 children)

I’m surprised the 50s have so many and I’m surprised the 70s have comparatively few.

Yeah same here, but i guess it's a measure of quality more than artistry.

The 50's was pretty much the top of the crop of old Hollywood, by the 60's it was collapsing already. The 70's revolutionized cinema, but maybe it was too raw and it needed time to settle. I think the 90's are a good example of the 70's crystallizing into a more refined version.

[–]Melechesh 21 points22 points  (4 children)

Almost half of those 50s films are Japanese.

[–]SmokinEh88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm with you there. The 90s are my favorite decade of movies. I know some of that definitely ties into nostalgia; people definitely seem to be attracted to what they grew up and I'm no stranger there. But that's where so much of my personal preference comes from.

[–]IVChioco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That doesn't really surprise me. Directors like Kurosawa, Hitchcock, Billy Wilder, and John Ford were at the height of their game in the 1950s.

[–]W1ckedNonsense 286 points287 points  (31 children)

Love that this list has ACTUAL distribution of movies from each decade. Lots of best lists won't even consider 2000-2019

[–]mylox 71 points72 points  (17 children)

The They Shoot Pictures, Don't They? Top 1000 is one of the best comprehensive 'greatest of' lists I've seen and they have a good amount of movies from the 21st century on it. I think there's actually a good reason why a lot of newer movies aren't ranked especially high on these types of lists, which is that it's very difficult to judge how important a film is going to end up being just a few years after its release. Most of these lists aren't necessarily ranking the films on their quality in a vacuum, but rather the impact they had on film making and their cultural importance.

TSPDT actually has its own list of the 1000 greatest films released after 1999, so that's a great resource to find out about great movies that came out more recently.

[–]eyelinedbrain 34 points35 points  (7 children)

it's very difficult to judge how important a film is going to end up being just a few years after its release. Most of these lists aren't necessarily ranking the films on their quality in a vacuum, but rather the impact they had on film making and their cultural importance.

Well said, and I think it's something a lot of people on Reddit miss out on, unfortunately. People in these threads always complain that old movies are overrepresented, but it's like... old movies are on these lists because they've kind of proven themselves over time. No matter how "objective" you think your evaluation skills are for viewing film, you can't assume a film is going to have staying power, or rewatchability. Which isn't to say that old movies are better than new movies, just that it often takes time to really understand how good a movie is, because time is a factor. Some movies seem great when you watch them once, and then aren't great on a second viewing. Some movies seem great when you watch them first, but you realize years later that you have no desire to ever watch it again. And so on.

[–]ChaoticMidget 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Are there any movies that you would point to as not having staying power when the general public thought it would? I don't think Reddit is that reactionary to films being considered amongst the best. If anything, you'll find a lot of people who find flaws or argue against staying power rather than people overestimating historical importance. There's a decent amount of Nolan and Tarantino detractors such that I'm surprised some of the films actually made it onto the list. I love Inception but there are a lot of people on here who feel the expository diarrhea makes it not that great of a film.

[–]eyelinedbrain 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Are there any movies that you would point to as not having staying power when the general public thought it would?

James Cameron's Avatar is the obvious, borderline-circlejerk answer so I won't really lean on that one too hard, but others come to mind. The OG Superman film from the 70s was a huge phenomenon and was not only #1 at the Box Office, but (without adjusting inflation) became the top grossing film of all time for a little while. Burton's Batman in the late 80s was similar. Both of those films have now largely lost their claims to "classic" status despite being discussed as such, for a time.

Another kind of classic talking point that gets brought up is Kramer vs. Kramer, a film most people on this sub haven't seen, and many haven't even heard of. Not only did it win Best Picture (and four other Oscars) in 1979, it was also the #1 highest grossing film of 1979 and outgrossed Alien and Apocalypse Now.

Airport (1970). Nominated for ten Academy Awards. Won one. Highest grossing film of its year and still among the highest grossing of all time when adjusted for inflation. Spawned three sequels and a comeback of the disaster film genre. One of the main inspirations for the movie Airplane!

[–]tokyoriot00 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I think Marriage Story will end up like this too. Great film and widely celebrated but just doesn’t really have THE MOMENT people will remember it for fifteen years from now. Closest thing would be the fight in the apartment but I don’t think it’ll have that much of a legacy

[–]sheepman76 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Basically my criticism of the movie. Very good film, but it was kind of... simple.

I Actually like the other baumbach films I’ve seen more.

[–]eyelinedbrain 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I agree

And mind you that's okay, there's lot of great films that don't really have staying power. That doesn't meant that they cease to be great films, they just don't have an urgency or gravity that establishes them as part of "the canon" of great films. Like, I loved the movie Doubt, and I think it's still a great movie. People barely remember it, and that's okay, it can fade from being an Oscar contender up against There Will Be Blood and No Country For Old Men, into obscurity, and someday sometime from now it can be a "hidden gem" that people are happy to rediscover down the road. Same for Marriage Story.

[–]tokyoriot00 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Excellent pull with Doubt, a movie I’ve seen four times and loved more each time but I’ve never heard a single person mention as one of their favorites. I think movies that are primarily acting-driven and feel more like theatre than traditional film (Doubt WAS a play first after all) tend to fall into his category.

Also Jesus that was a great year for film huh?

[–]eyelinedbrain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, 2007 was a killer year. Besides those three, there was also Zodiac, Perfume: Story of a Murderer, Eastern Promises (IMO maybe the best gangster film since The Godfather), Grindhouse, Hot Fuzz, Ratatouille (maybe my favorite Pixar film), Stardust, Superbad, Walk Hard, 3:10 to Yuma, Assassination of Jesse James, Into the Wild, Michael Clayton (like Doubt, another great movie that often gets forgotten), Charlie Wilson's War (ditto), Gone Baby Gone, I'm Not There, The Lives of Others...

I also have a soft spot for Hairspray, which I think is one of the better Hollywood adaptations of a stage musical in recent memory.

2007 was a beast of a year, I think I maybe saw more movies in theaters that year than any other year of my life.

[–]phenix714 9 points10 points  (8 children)

Most of these lists aren't necessarily ranking the films on their quality in a vacuum, but rather the impact they had on film making and their cultural importance.

The problem is in doing that, you aren't really judging the movies at all.

I think a lot of the voters just pick the best films. Sight & Sound doesn't seem to have as much of a problem with including newer movies, since in 2012 they picked 4 movies that were less than a year old (The Tree of Life, The Turin Horse, Melancholia, and Uncle Boonme Who Can Recall His Past Lives). And famously, they ranked L'Avventura the second best movie of all time right after it came out in 1962.

[–]mylox 2 points3 points  (7 children)

I think the underlying assumption is that movies that become culturally important do so by being good movies, and the better the movie, the more likely it is to get to that point. So by judging how impactful or important a movie is, you are indirectly judging the quality of the movie itself. I think a lot of lists lean toward this direction since film quality is much more nebulous and subjective than its impact on the industry.

But then again, each publication has its own criteria and methodology for picking out movies for their lists, so what I say won't fit perfectly for each one, but I think it's a reasonable explanation why most of these lists favor older movies.

Also, I think it's possible that those voters for Sight and Sound simply believed so strongly in those films' ability to endure due to their excellence that they were willing to put it in a list with much more established movies. Not a bad bet, since all four of those movies are still regularly regarded to be some of the best.

[–]phenix714 2 points3 points  (6 children)

I think the underlying assumption is that movies that become culturally important do so by being good movies

Sure, but that's an appeal to authority/popularity. The job of the voters is to give their opinion on the movies, not just go along with the status quo.

Also, I think it's possible that those voters for Sight and Sound simply believed so strongly in those films' ability to endure due to their excellence that they were willing to put it in a list with much more established movies.

But you would probably think the same of any recent movie that you would put in your top 10.

[–]mylox 0 points1 point  (5 children)

The job of the voters is to give their opinion on the movies, not just go along with the status quo.

Thats not actually the case a lot of the time. For example, this is the prompt that S&S voters were given:

We leave that open to your interpretation. You might choose the ten films you feel are most important to film history, or the ten that represent the aesthetic pinnacles of achievement, or indeed the ten films that have had the biggest impact on your own view of cinema.

It gives them a choice, but giving their own personal opinion of their favorite movies is just one of the many ways to interpret ‘greatness’ that the prompt gives as an example. So yeah, I guess the real answer is that voters vote on whatever they think ‘greatness’ means, and at least in my opinion, it means they generally lean toward ranking how important or influential a movie is.

But you would probably think the same of any recent movie that you would put in your top 10.

Eh, not really. Jojo Rabbit and Little Women from last year were some of my favorite films of the decade and of all time, and I don’t think either will be remembered too strongly going in to the future.

[–]phenix714 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Sure it's open to interpretation, but from reading the write-ups of the voters on the Sight & Sound website, it seems that most of them are going with the latter prompts rather than the first one. Plus "most important to film history" can easily be read as "most important to you".

Why do you think they would generally lean toward importance and influence?

[–]mylox 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Plus "most important to film history" cane easily be read as "most important to you".

I honestly think that would take a very generous reading of that particular line to arrive at that conclusion lol. I haven’t seen the write ups, I’ll take a look at them.

Why do you think they would generally lean toward importance and influence?

This is just opinion based on seeing the prompts that these things give out and the results they come up with. I don’t think these lists would come to such a resounding consensus on a lot of these movies if people were working purely from a place of ‘what I like to see.’

[–]phenix714 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But 2 of the 3 prompts relate to personal reasons, and there isn't really that much of a consensus on many of the movies listed. Sure the movies at the top like Vertigo and Citizen Kane appear in many lists, but then again they are very popular movies so that's to be expected.

[–]phenix714 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Plus, if you look at the individual lists, it's clear that they aren't mainly going by importance or influence, because almost all of those lists include several movies that no one would cite as among the 10 most influent of important of all time.

[–]ReelStats[S] 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Thanks. More recent movies were overlooked by critics but audiences helped pull them up.

[–]plzsnitskyreturn 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I think Parasite being that high this quick shows how much of a masterpiece it is. I wonder how high it will be in the next 30 years

[–]ReelStats[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Parasite was even higher last month, but went down as more ratings became factored in. I think it will be firmly in the top 50 or 100 over the next 10 years at least.

[–]ZachMich 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It might also be recency bias

[–]Omaromar 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Biggest mind blower of watching old 1930s movies is finding out they had the exact romantic-comedy template figured out 100 years ago.

[–]stemsandseeds 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wait till you read Shakespeare. The misunderstandings that could have been solved with one sentence, the absurdly elaborate plots to seduce, none of it is new.

[–]TheDuckCZAR 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is a pretty solid distribution. Most Reddit made lists and such have the opposite problem, where a film from the 50s or 60s will be the oldest one on there.

[–]brokenwolf 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I think a movie needs to sit for a few years in order to settle into where it belongs. We’re far enough removed from the 2000s that we know which are the classics from that era. I just think parasite is way too new to be that high up.

[–]W1ckedNonsense 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I can concede that parasite might drop after awhile but it absolutely made history. If you look at some of the other 2010 rankings I do believe they're valid to a certain extent. Into The Spiderverse, Inside Out (Up should be higher in my opinion), Django Unchained, Inception. There are remarkably few 2010 movies on the list considering that everything else is being judged well after it came out with only a little boost from some reviews at the time. Rotten tomatoes and IMDB are very new review sites but movies even from the 1930s are highly rated and 2010/2000 movies rank low in quantity on the list.

[–]OOOGOD 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Don't think anybody would be putting parasite onto the same discussion as Old Boy or Inception come 10 years from now lol ( Or if the convo is about movies similar to Old boy it mite come up, I don't think anyone would say it ' made history ' )

[–]W1ckedNonsense 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well it was the first foreign language film to win Best Picture, that's a huge deal considering how they barely nod at Ghibli once in awhile. I've watched parasite twice and I can't wait to watch it again, I'm always noticing something new or seeing it from a new perspective. Lots of movies on best lists are BORING but theyre well executed and appealing, parasite is both well executed AND fun. No one can say for sure, I certainly wouldn't put parasite in the top 30 but I don't think it'll become irrelevant.

[–]not_a_flying_toy_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think a big problem with the idea that lists dont consider films of the 21st century is that the people who are influenced by those films havent really broken out yet. Theres a delay on that sort of thing.

[–]xanroeld[🍰] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I love that it’s a pretty solid spread over the decades.

[–]SeanGrande 78 points79 points  (59 children)

Is it just me, or do other people feel like those 1950's movies are generally overrated?

[–]lanternsinthesky 16 points17 points  (5 children)

Which ones in particular? Because some of the ones on this list are really good imo

[–]Enartloc 18 points19 points  (4 children)

Because some of the ones on this list are really good imo

You mean all of them are really good

Name me one that's not really good (exclude The Cranes Are Flying because i haven't seen that)

[–]DjangoVanTango 41 points42 points  (5 children)

The Alfred Hitchcock films definitely hold up well today. Rear Window and Psycho especially. Can't remember if this was on the list but The Birds... Not so much.

[–]theotherhemsworth 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Psycho and The Birds are boths from the 60s though.

[–]CyberianK 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I love the Hitchcock films most Rear Window but also:

  • Vertigo
  • North by Northwest
  • Dial M for murder
  • Rope
  • Strangers on a train
  • Notorious
  • Shadow of a doubt
  • Rebecca
  • To catch a thief

Those movies are glorious each one is a masterpiece and everyone should watch them they hold up great they aren't just for peoples who like old movies even the general public or young peoples can enjoy.

For some reason I don't like Psycho or The Birds as much even though Psycho is very important ofc for the craft of movie making.

[–]StormWildman7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh my goodness is Notorious underrepresented as one of Hitchcock's best. I love that film to pieces.

[–]ThePortalsOfFrenzy 26 points27 points  (3 children)

Specifically which ones? I can pick Paths of Glory and state with confidence that it is worthy of every ounce of praise it receives. But I'm not sure about others.

[–]C0UG3R 34 points35 points  (2 children)

I can account for 12 Angry Men, Seven Samurai, North by Northwest, Rashomon, and Sunset Boulevard as all being fantastic too. I've also seen the Seventh Seal, and while it didn't resonate with me I can see why it receives the praise it does.

[–]ThePortalsOfFrenzy 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I agree with those. I didn't recall all the years of release when scanning the list. Paths was just one I had recently finally seen, and was super impressed by.

[–]leviwilliams88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Paths is great. I'm weird in that none of my favorite Kubrick movies are 2001, Strangelove or A Clockwork Orange, I truly think his best is either Paths or Eyes Wide Shut (possible argument for Barry Lyndon).

[–]WhatisbeforepartB 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No they are not. Some people dont like a slower pace, which is fine. I believe modern film and everyday life such as cell phones and constant bombardment of constant need for entertainment has fundamentally changed our brains. But that's just my opinion.

[–]HitchScorTar 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I'd argue the 1950's movies on the list are better than the 2010's movies on this list

[–]ReelStats[S] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Granted I haven't seen all of them yet, but 12 Angry Men, Singin' in the Rain, Roman Holiday, Rear Window, Paths of Glory, North by Northwest, and the Young and the Damned are all fantastic.

Although, I would say Sunset Boulevard and Rashomon didn't resonate with me as much.

[–]Daveodil 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sunset Boulevard has some really cool set pieces.

[–]Tehbeefer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Third Man tends to be overshadowed by Citizen Kane, but it's top-notch stuff. Possibly based on a true story!

[–]PaulWesNick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rashomon is good in theory, but having rewatched it recently, I'd say it's probably my least favorite Kurosawa film. It's an interesting concept that is not executed to its full potential.

[–]Internalocus 10 points11 points  (5 children)

They’re good, I just think it’s hard to relate these days

[–]what_if_Im_dinosaur 18 points19 points  (1 child)

I don't even think most of them are that hard to relate to, honestly.

[–]Enartloc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly i'm convinced 90% of people who avoid old movies would LOVE watching old movies, they just don't know it.

[–]Heyouguysss2 11 points12 points  (2 children)

How? I think alot of them are timeless

[–]Internalocus 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It depends on who you are. How old you are, how much patience you have, how much they influenced your taste in movies growing up. I’d say it’s hard to find people younger than 25 (in the US) who’ve seen more than a few live-action movies before 1960, Wizard of Oz being one of them. More people should see older movies though, I feel like it’s better for our attention spans.

[–]Heyouguysss2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm 19 with have a.d.d and I love movies before the 1960s. Their some of my favorite films. Granted I watched a few when I was young, so their might be some early imprinting, but still I think alot of them hold up and Gen Z film fans are being stubborn.

[–]TheAsian1nvasion -1 points0 points  (9 children)

I think you need to look at movies as a product of their time. For example; by today’s standards, ‘The Two Towers’ is a pretty ordinary ‘medieval fantasy’ film, with various amounts of intrigue, a big battle where the protagonists are saved by the cavalry at the end’.

However, when that movie premiered, there had never been anything like the ‘Battle of Helm’s Deep’ ever put on the screen. It was a massive filmmaking achievement at the time.

Same goes for a lot of 1950’s movies. They were inventing filmmaking techniques as they went along that would be used by generations of filmmakers that would follow them.

[–]RobotWantsKitty 18 points19 points  (1 child)

For example; by today’s standards, ‘The Two Towers’ is a pretty ordinary ‘medieval fantasy’ film

Not really. It's not novel anymore, but it still hasn't been surpassed.

[–]AaronWYL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it's my least favorite of the trilogy but still better than any fantasy movie I can think of that has come out recently.

[–]phenix714 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Huh what? What other movie is comparable to The Two Towers? (other than its sequel)

And they weren't just "inventing" techniques in the 1950s. They were making masterpieces with them, no different from how we make movies today.

[–]sheepman76 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree.

It makes me sad sometimes, because I watch some movies and I’m like “well it was decent, but if I saw this _ years ago, I bet I would love it.

Only sort of enjoyed blade runner. Realized that my main problems were that it had all these sci fi tropes, tropes in which this was the film that kinda started them...

Just gotta respect it for its time and what it contributed, even if I personally don’t love.

[–]SeanGrande 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I totally get that and it's a good way to look at it... But at the end of the day I'm taking my smartphone over a 1950's typewriter lol It's the better machine

[–]DenzelWashingtonDC 4 points5 points  (0 children)

But at the end of the day I'm taking my smartphone over a 1950's typewriter any day lol It's the better machine

God you lot are such a meme at this point

[–]IHaveAWittyUsername 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a list of the 250 films with the greatest critical response. Some of these films are why your "smartphone" films are what they are. In 50 years time they'll have been films which did the Marvel ensemble better than we have...but we'll still consider the Avenger's films the pinnacle of huge, ensemble cast superhero films.

[–]Prof_Aronnax 1 point2 points  (3 children)

In my opinion rankings like this (especially if they incorporate audience ratings) arent worth shit. They only exist so people on movie forums can circlejerk about “the best movies” without actually putting any thought behind it.

You can’t really hope to make some sort of objective ranking of the best movies using review websites. There are just too many problems. A lot of the reviews for older movies tend to be recent so they have the added benefit of both nostalgia and for the ability for the critics to see how they impacted film. Not to mention you’re comparing films of radically different genres to each other.

And don’t even get me started on online audience reviews. They have really bad demographic problems, recency bias, and problems with brigading. Not to mention 99% of audience reviewers most likely don’t know what they’re talking about and are probably reviewing the film in a way differently from most professional critics.

I mean seriously, Marriage Story is better than Fargo? What kind of metric is being used? MS is a good movie but in 20 years will it hold the same place in film as Fargo does now?

Monsters Inc. better than Ben Hur? MI wasn’t even the best Pixar movie in the decade it came out.

THE DARK FUCKING KNIGHT BETTER THAN CASABLANCA AND GOODFELLAS???!!

This list needs to be renamed “Movies That Would Appeal To 20-Something Year Old White Guys Who Consider Themselves Experts On Film”. If you want to discuss the merits of individual movies then that’s fine. But stop with this pointless exercise of trying to rank movies.

[–]BZH_JJM 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I feel like Dark Knight is as high as it is because of recency bias and also to some extent rating inflation. In another 20 years, it will probably still be well regarded, but not nearly as much as it is now.

[–]Prof_Aronnax 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Don’t forget genre mixing.

When Roger Ebert gives 4 stars to an action movie but 3 stars to a drama movie he’s not saying that the action movie is better than the drama. He’s saying that the action movie is a 4 compared to other action movies and the drama is a 3 compared to other drama movies. Whichever one he thinks was better or more influential or more worthy of seeing would be something to discussed later. That subtlety does not exist in lists like this.

[–]sheepman76 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with you, but I’m okay with people doing this exercise to give it a try. All methods are flawed.

I like the idea of somehow finding roughly 5 “expert” reviews and using that.

It’s somewhat pointless to rank movies because I think it’s also pretty taste based towards the top. Still, lots of interesting things to try and improve on something like this.

Like I wonder if you could control on box office popularity or something, that could help. Idk, would have to play around, but I think you could rid of some of the problems you mentioned.

[–]2CHINZZZ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven't seen a lot of them, but 12 Angry Men and Sunset Boulevard are among my favorite movies ever. Paths of Glory, 400 Blows, and Seventh Seal are good as well. Wasn't a huge fan of Rashoman though

[–]obsessivesnuggler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those best movies list always leave me indifferent. But as a decade in general, 40-50's movies have that certain atmosphere and storytelling quality that I just can't find in newer movies.

[–]AttyFireWood 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I figured the Motion Picture Production Code would have left a lack of great films, not a bunch in the 50s.

[–]AaronWYL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A number of the 50s films are foreign, which were not restricted by the code, but it was also more or less starting to fall apart by the late 50s as well.

[–]chawklitdsco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought anecdotally there would be a skew to older films, but the distribution is more even than i thought. I guess there still might be a preference given to old films in that more films and released today and they therefore have less of chance of receiving acclaim, but that also might be commentary how just how much shit comes out of hollywood these days.

[–]hihelloneighboroonie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now somebody go through and compare the number with a male lead to those with a female lead.

[–]boyi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Would be nice to put year next to the film title.

[–]kleinicorn 107 points108 points  (8 children)

I like this list, it feels like a marriage of IMDB(bigger movies) and Letterboxd (arthouse, foreign movies). Biggest surprise is not seeing The Thing on the list. I feel like I see that one a lot on others

[–]ReelStats[S] 33 points34 points  (3 children)

Appreciate it, I really tried to include as many sources as possible to include all demographics. The Thing is down at 683rd, mostly because it was not favored by critics.

[–]2CHINZZZ 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Guessing you're using critic ratings from when the movies were released? That would probably explain why the Shining is missing, despite being at #91 on TSPDT, which is pretty heavily based on critic ratings

[–]kleinicorn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That makes sense, I knew it was bashed when it first came out and would definitely be effected.

[–]Egobot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's got enough praise but I honestly think it's one of the few flawless movies if such a thing can exist. It still holds up and is still so much damn fun. And no matter how many times I've seen it my appreciation grows for it more everytime.

[–]BGBanks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can definitely see the Letterboxd influence in Portrait of a Lady on Fire and Parasite haha. Letterboxd in the past few years has had a bit of a problem with ratings inflation for new releases (Parasite is currently #1 all time, as in, literally the best movie ever made). I loved Portrait of a Lady but I think calling it one of the top 50 films of all time 2 months after its wide release is a little bit of a stretch.

[–]stehmansmith5 166 points167 points  (10 children)

So Paddington 2 somehow didn't make the list?

[–]Large_Dungeon_Key 84 points85 points  (4 children)

Rank Paddington 2 you cowards!

[–]stehmansmith5 48 points49 points  (3 children)

Paddington 2 is unironically one of my favorite movies from a technical and adaptation standpoint. It's truly the Ulysses of Bear movies.

[–]JBSquared 13 points14 points  (1 child)

It's the Dark Souls of Hugh Grant movies

[–]stehmansmith5 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's the Paddington 2 of Hugh Bonneville Movies.

[–]willsherm28 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's the Godfather 2 of talking bear movies.

[–]ReelStats[S] 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Ranked 340th in my list with an average score of 83.16

[–]ReelStats[S] 77 points78 points  (14 children)

Breakdown by director:

9 – Akira Kurosawa

8 –

7 – Charlie Chaplin

6 – Hayao Miyazaki, Stanley Kubrick ,Ingmar Bergman

5 – Alfred Hitchcock, Billy Wilder

4 – Sergio Leone, Andrei Tarkovski, Federico Fellini

3 – Francis Ford Coppola, Steven Spielberg, Quentin Tarantino, Peter Jackson, Christopher Nolan, Martin Scorsese, Buster Keaton, Satyajit Ray, Carl Theodor Dreyer, Krzysztof Kieślowski, Pete Docter, Luis Buñuel, William Wyler-3

2 – Sidney Lumet, Bong Joon-ho, Yasujirō Ozu, Frank Capra, Miloš Forman, Fritz Lang, Vittorio De Sica, Orson Welles, Andrew Stanton, Ridley Scott, David Lean, Lee Unkrich, Edward Yang, Robert Zemeckis, John Lasseter, Kenji Mizoguchi, Béla Tarr, Mikhail Kalatozov, Jean-Pierre Melville, F.W. Murnau, Ernst Lubitsch, Henri-Georges Clouzot, James Cameron, Victor Fleming, Isao Takahata, David Fincher, Zhang Yimou, Elia Kazan, John Ford, Richard Linklater

1 – Frank Darabont, Masaki Kobayashi, Michael Curtiz, Stanley Donen, Gene Kelly, Marcel Carné, Irvin Kershner, Marco Tullio Giordana, Joseph Mankiewicz, Jacques Becker, Céline Sciamma, Jonathan Demme, Robert Bresson, George Lucas, Asghar Farhadi, Roman Polanski, Kátia Lund, Fernando Meirelles, Hiroshi Teshigahara, Bob Persichetti, Peter Ramsey, Rodney Rothman, Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck, Giuseppe Tornatore, Rob Minkoff, Roger Allers, Damien Chazelle, François Truffaut, John Huston, Elem Klimov, Clyde Bruckman, Carol Reed, Michel Gondry, Wolfgang Petersen, Don Hertzfeldt, Dziga Vertov, Emir Kusturica, Gillo Pontecorvo, Chris Marker, Jules Dassin, George Roy Hill, Sam Wood, George Cukor, Curtis Hanson, Sam Mendes, Charles Laughton, Lilly Wachowski, Lana Wachowski, Clint Eastwood, John Sturges, Robert Mulligan, Stuart Rosenberg, Hirokazu Kore-eda, Robert Wiene, Adam Elliot, Lewis Milestone, Wim Wenders, Leo McCarey, Tomm Moore, Peter Weir, Otto Preminger, Mathieu Kassovitz, Emeric Pressburger, Michael Powell, Abel Gance, Agnès Varda, JR, Jean Renoir, Bryan Singer, Thomas Vinterberg, Luchino Visconti, Lenny Abrahamson, Danny Boyle, Terry Gilliam, Terry Jones, David Lynch, Woody Allen, René Clément, Tom McCarthy, Vincent Paronnaud, Marjane Satrapi, Brad Bird, Park Chan-wook, Majid Majidi, Edward Sedgwick, Fred C. Newmeyer, Sam Taylor, Jean Eustache, Paul Thomas Anderson, David Yates, Robert Hamer, Gary Trousdale, Kirk Wise, Steve McQueen, Wong Kar-wai, Abbas Kiarostami, Jacques Tati, John Cassavetes, Bernardo Bertolucci, Roberto Benigni, King Vidor, Noah Baumbach, Guillermo del Toro, Peter Bogdanovich, Rainer Werner Fassbinder, Denis Villeneuve, Chen Kaige, Ethan Coen, Joel Coen, Walter Salles

[–]Melechesh 27 points28 points  (9 children)

Kurosawa has 5 in the top 50, it's a shame most people I've talked to have only seen Seven Samurai.

[–]Egobot 11 points12 points  (3 children)

I really need to see more of his stuff but after Seven Samurai I watched Ran and that was incredibly crushing. I was thinking of checking out Yojimbo next.

[–]ObsidianBlackbird666 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Yojimbo and Sanjuro are light and Sanjuro is practically a comedy. The Hidden Fortress is also pretty light and comical.

[–]ParticularFarnsworth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ikiru (#22) will crush and then lift your soul. Highly recommended.

[–]Melechesh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yojimbo and Sanjuro are both great films, be sure to check out his non-samurai films as well.

[–]bumenkhan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I just watched Ran the other day and was shocked at how good it was. Easily my favorite fantasy movie outside of the LOTR trilogy.

[–]ChaoticMidget 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I imagine it's hard enough to get people from the West to watch a foreign film, let alone one in Japanese, let along films that are from the 40s-60s. I've only seen Seven Samurai myself and while I actually thought the film moved faster than its screentime, it's also hard to get people to commit to movies that go well over 2 or 3 hours long.

[–]avocado_sempai 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was talking to my Japanese 1 class about Kurosawa the other day. Most of my classmates had never even heard of him, sadly. Even the professor said she'd never seen any of his movies.

He's my favorite filmmaker ever along with Kubrick.

[–]DrCarter11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm in that category. Seven samurai is a masterpiece though.

[–]YakMan2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

His non-samurai films should be more well known to general audiences. High and Low is SO good, and very accessible.

Ikiru is right up there with Seven Samurai.

[–]redbitumen 10 points11 points  (0 children)

So, Kurosawa is the GOAT? I'm cool with that. All the more so seeing as he has 5 in the top 50.

[–]ramnarayan93 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Took me a while to find the Coen Brothers, all the way at the bottom there. Really thought they'd have more in the list.

[–]Snake_Jazz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

0 - Snake_Jazz

[–]morbundrotund 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Studio Ghibli continues make great films, get glowing reviews and yet I have to resort to threats to make people watch.

[–]Squid_Man56 57 points58 points  (7 children)

This can't be right, where's Killer Bean?

[–]dobikrisz 18 points19 points  (0 children)

In our hearts.

[–]oceanus2021 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Killer Bean has ascended past the position of ratings; it is the only film that's untouchable by critics.

[–]Aldryc 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Paul Blart Mall Cop deserves #1.

[–]JackXDark 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I was wondering why Killer Klowns from Outer Space was so cruelly overlooked.

[–]bfhurricane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s on Netflix, last I checked. Which was seven years ago while drinking with buddies. Literally a case of browsing titles, seeing it, and going “well, we can’t not watch this.”

[–]traffickin 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Tryin to get some sleep.

[–]Squid_Man56 0 points1 point  (0 children)

*loads sniper*

[–]dickybant 20 points21 points  (13 children)

I haven't seen Spider Man into the Spiderverse but I must say it is a surprise seeing it at 65. Is this legitimate or a result of a younger audience dominating reviews online?

[–]LargelyTallMidget 30 points31 points  (4 children)

Well... Personaly, I really love this movie, and it's really fun, the animation is glorious and it's smartly written. It's definetly worth checking out even for adult. But it's definetly not 65th best movie of all time.

[–]Aldryc 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think the quality of the animation elevates it in the same way a good cinematographer or imaginative director can elevate an otherwise competent film. If I had to guess, I'd say that is probably why it fared so well critically. Based on anything else I'd say it's just a really competent and enjoyable movie, although definitely not deserving of a top 100 spot. The style and flair of the animation though is one of the most enjoyable experiences with an animated movie I've ever had, rivaled only really by some Miyazaki films.

[–]ParticularFarnsworth 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I feel the same way about 40 Years a Slave. It's a fine movie, with some really great acting. Can't help but feel it's being listed due to it being a movie about slavery.

[–]Britneyfan456 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s 12 not 40

[–]not_a_flying_toy_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the problem with aggregate lists like this is that sometimes consensus on a movie being fine/good can make it rank higher than most critics.

[–]iadknet 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I'm 40 and mostly burned out on superhero movies about a decade ago, but I thought it was great.

It's one of the only recent movies that feels like it would be a comfort classic (one of those movies you could pop on any time and enjoy watching) like Back to the Future, Princess Bride (which isn't on the list), Shawshank Redemption, etc.

It's just an extremely well crafted and well written movie with beautiful animation. I'm not sure if it belongs at 65, but I would put it somewhere on the list.

[–]dickybant 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's very helpful. Thanks. I'll check it out.

[–]iadknet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thinking about it more, don’t go in expecting an original story on par with the other movies I listed. It’s still a pretty standard superhero story, but it is very well executed, and the storytelling style is completely original.

[–]greensage5 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Definitely, it's really taking advantage of the animation medium to relay a very comic book-esque aestetic that you can't find right now. The story is also interesting and engaging but it's definitely the best stylized animated movie in a while. So while it's for kids it does breaks the norm that most cgi/animated movies take to do something that breaks the mold of how comic book movies are presented as a whole, at least from a big studio. Highly recommended and it's on Netflix.

[–]ReelStats[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yeah, personally would not say it's in the top 100 movies of all time. However, seeing as it came out relatively recently, it will probably drop a few places over the next few years.

[–]BeingMrSmite 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I loved it, and I’m not much of a fan of modern Marvel flicks and such.

Not only was the story good, well executed, and well paced - I also do believe it is a technical masterpiece of animation. I was 30 when I saw it and fell in love. Definitely worth the praise.

[–]lordDEMAXUS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Recency bias is probably a reason why. Same reason why something like Portrait of a Lady on Fire made it in.

[–]eXoBlackOut 41 points42 points  (3 children)

Damn, good work. Nice to have such a list. In these times I should watch some films from that list.

[–]ReelStats[S] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Appreciate it a lot. Definitely a great time to catch up on some great movies.

[–]Logan_No_Fingers 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Seem's quite hard to catch up on a lot of older stuff tho' eh. I mean Netflix (UK at least) doesn't look like it carries anything old.

[–]ReelStats[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

0123movie.net has most of these, just install AdBlock before you go watch

[–]jwalner 42 points43 points  (3 children)

Finally, a list that puts all three Lord of the Rings movies over Citizen Kane.

Edit: people are upvoting me for sarcasm, and agreement. I'm gaming the system.

[–]browster 49 points50 points  (17 children)

Why do the Coen brothers fare so poorly in rankings like this? I may have missed some, but I don't see anything until #249 Fargo.

[–]eyelinedbrain 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Coen Brothers have a kind of cult following, like a lot of auteurs, which can lead to more mixed reception for a lot of their films. I love them personally, but I can see why they wouldn't end up on the list, with the exception of Fargo and NCFOM.

If I did my own list, they'd probably have something like five films in my top fifty (A Serious Man (which I think is their true masterpiece), Barton Fink, Fargo, Lebowski, and NCFOM), which I think would be more than any other director, and another five or more spread out in my top 150 or so.

[–]dobikrisz 19 points20 points  (13 children)

I think having 1 movie in a list like this should be more than enough. IMO No country for old man chould be on the list but otherwise I don't think they deserve more. I personally like Big Lebowski but I know many people who don't so I think it fails because of that. And I don't know any other worthy movie from them to be included.

[–]ReelStats[S] 20 points21 points  (6 children)

No Country for Old Men narrowly missed the top 250 (ranked 295th). The Big Lebowski is down at 479th.

[–]joe_k_knows 12 points13 points  (1 child)

“No Country” definitely needs to be on this list. Gun to my head, Fargo is better, but it’s still a masterpiece.

[–]MrGreen17 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Barton Fink. I LOVE that movie.

[–]igloofu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but think of poor Bart left out in the rain after practice :(

[–]browster 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I really love O Brother Where Art Thou (along with others), but again just a personal preference.

[–]StormWildman7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I despise Lebowski. It always struck me as more an experiment that somehow worked but still left a bad taste in my mouth. But my mother and brother love it. NCFOM is obviously great.

[–]CephalopodRed 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think the problem with the Coens is that there are no real consensus picks when it comes to their best movies. Their filmography is vast and most of their movies have their admirers, so they tend to split votes.

[–]avocado_sempai 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No Country for Old Men should definitely be on the list. Easily one of the best films in the last 20 years.

[–]Theeclat 27 points28 points  (3 children)

Amazing work!!!

Now do the worst 150.

[–]andross_27 19 points20 points  (2 children)

The Uwe Boll special

[–]Cirenione 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Careful or you end up in a boxing ring with him.

[–]willsherm28 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Raging Boll

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (8 children)

TSPDT 1000 is my usual go to site. They combine various sources as well.

Other than that, there is The Cinema Archives (http://thecinemaarchives.com)

No films from Malick, Von Trier, Griffith, Resnais, Visconti, Godard, Ophuls, Truffaut, Michael Mann, , PTA. Rough list. Not on you, of course.

Great effort from you. Much appreciated. Maybe find a column for director's name.

Edit: Duh. Visconti, PTA and Truffaut were there. But none from Antonioni, Eisenstein, Cronenberg and Sternberg as well

[–]atticusfinch68 13 points14 points  (0 children)

There Will Be Blood is PTA

[–]pandasareblack 7 points8 points  (0 children)

400 Blows is on there for Truffaut.

[–]tbarb00 5 points6 points  (2 children)

TSPDT 1000 is my usual go to site.

What site please?

[–]jwalner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The ultimate list.

[–]Britneyfan456 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m surprised Schindler’s List is that low I figured it would be top 100 easily and I’m not sure The piano is more critically acclaimed

[–]ReelStats[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TSPDT is a good site for sure, though I think it relies mostly on critics’ opinions. Achieving a balance of ratings from critics and audiences is challenging, will continue to reference TSPDT as an unofficial critic source. I maxed out the characters allowed in a post, so I’ll post a comment about directors later today. Thanks for the feedback.

[–]trannelnav 111 points112 points  (23 children)

Thanks alot, found the imdb top 250 being ruined by hyped up marvel movies in the top 50 (not saying they are bad, but not that high worthy). Now there is a true good list again without the 2010 skewed fanboy ratings of films.

[–]ReelStats[S] 19 points20 points  (9 children)

Glad you liked the list, I think incorporating various websites helped remove some of the bias towards more recent/blockbuster movies. IMDb is pretty notorious for favoring blockbusters by big studios/directors so balancing that out is pretty important for any top movies list.

[–]monarc 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Is any of these websites more populated by female opinions, though? I feel like IMDb is heavily male, and I think that trend holds for most of these sites.

[–]ReelStats[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I honestly wouldn't know the answer to that. However, the more obscure sites I used (like Letterboxd, TMDb, MUBI) should have a more balanced ratio of male to female opinions.

[–]monarc 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I can't find the gender split data on Letterboxd, but I did find this fascinating little write-up, where they compared favorite movies of people who chose "he" or "she" as their preferred pronoun. The "he" list is almost identical to the overall (gender agnostic) list, while the "she" list is wildly divergent. It's hard to imagine this happening without male users outnumbering female users.

The "women's favorite movies" list on IMDb is less divergent (vs. the gender agnostic version), although IMDb is more of a hot-spot for trolling so who knows.

[–]ReelStats[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Really interesting to see how different the "she" list is on Letterboxd. Thanks for sharing

[–]avocado_sempai 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Great job man.

I actually planned on doing something like this, for films and television series' since I always check on different websites and compare their ratings to choose what I should watch next. I figured it'd be more simple to just compile a list like this.

Really good job, I'm going to save this and try to watch all the ones that I haven't seen yet.

[–]ReelStats[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Glad this was helpful. I was in the same boat a couple months ago so I thought why not centralize all the ratings in one spreadsheet.

[–]avocado_sempai 0 points1 point  (2 children)

If you don't mind me asking -- What method did you use and how long did it take you to make this?

[–]ReelStats[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I tried to pull data from various websites but most were too difficult, so I inputted data manually. It took me several months to compile this list, and I'm also planning on starting a website soon that centers around this.

[–]avocado_sempai 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, thanks for all the hard work dude, and good luck with your website!

[–]ducksgrenades 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Its not just the marvel movies (actually looking at the list now the highest ranked marvel movie is at 62). The IMDB list has always been predictably reddit-tier, theres some good stuff on there though

[–]plzsnitskyreturn 4 points5 points  (8 children)

Out of curiosity OP what is the highest Marvel movie?

[–]ReelStats[S] 32 points33 points  (3 children)

Avengers: Endgame at 288th. Buoyed by surprisingly high critics reviews and audience scores (although Infinity War had higher ones).

[–]JBSquared 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I'm kinda surprised and not surprised that Endgame is the top Marvel movie. Guardians 1 and 2 and Infinity War fared much better from a critical standpoint. Although if I could only choose one movie to represent all of the MCU movies, it would probably be Endgame.

[–]ReelStats[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Endgame was only beat by Black Panther critically. Iron Man and Guardians were close. Although, my favorite still has to be Winter Soldier.

[–]W00DERS0N 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Does Into the SpiderVerse not count?

[–]ReelStats[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If we count animated ones, then definitely.

[–]trannelnav 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In IMDB 250 list Avengers: Infinity War is 33. At 58 is Endgame. Wasn't meant to single out every marvel superhero movie but to be more precise, the avenger movies are fun to watch, but so over the top predictable feel good Disney movie. While I personally don't like that as much, I still see their production value but it shouldn't be in the list of most best films ever made. For example I rather see some other marvel movies way up higher that may be part of the MCU, like the original Iron Man.

[–]DjangoVanTango 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Completely agree. It feels like a couple of weeks after new marvel film comes out, it automatically ends up in top 50 just because of the fanboys. It makes it harder for someone doesn't really care for them to know of they are actually any good

[–]strangermouse 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It also has The Dark Knight at #4, so I don't really give it any credence.

[–]Lancannister 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Careful, now. Might get downvoted telling the truth.

[–]rickroll62 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I can't believe the 30s had so few , because 1939 was a hell of a year for movies

[–]StormWildman7 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Seriously. Can you imagine turning out the pure excellence of Dark Victory, the amazing Mr. Smith Goes to Washington(my gf's fave), or even the Wizard of flipping Oz only to lose to Gone With the Wind? Banner year

[–]rickroll62 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Don't forget Stagecoach, wuthering heights, ninotchka, goodbye Mr chips, and many more

[–]StormWildman7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll be real, I have Stagecoach on blu-ray and just haven't seen it. Think Mr. Chips is a bit overrated. But good lord. Easily the best year for movies in my head.

[–]FlashGames76 18 points19 points  (22 children)

Only watched 36 of those, feeling a bit uncultured

[–]frankdracmanphd 8 points9 points  (12 children)

You can remedy that right now by watching Sunrise on YouTube for free. It's a great silent movie that has the structure of a modern film. It drags a bit in the middle, as most early films do, but has a great ending.

[–]dtsyk 7 points8 points  (8 children)

All the Soviet movies are available on Youtube too, so you can watch Come and See and the Tarkovsky movies.

[–]capnslap 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Come and See is easily the best movie that I will never recommend to anyone.

[–]phenix714 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I'd recommend it to most people. I don't think I've ever read any bad opinion of it.

[–]lordDEMAXUS 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I think OP means it's such a fucked up movie that he wouldn't recommend it to anyone unless they know what they are getting into. The violence in the movie is likely overwhelming to a lot of people.

[–]phenix714 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know, but it doesn't make sense since it's such a great movie. It's a movie I think most everyone should see. Maybe if someone has particular traumatic issues I wouldn't recommend it, but other than that I'm like "go for it, you won't regret it".

[–]frankdracmanphd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, that's great. Thanks for letting us know. I usually check them for older silent films like Waxworks or Hexen, keep forgetting to look for newer ones. Well, newer as in 80's onward.

[–]lordDEMAXUS 0 points1 point  (2 children)

you can watch Come and See and the Tarkovsky movies.

None of them are on youtube for free though. You can't even buy or rent Come and See through youtube movies I think. Come and See is available for streaming on the criterion channel though and it's the best version of the movie there is online.

[–]dtsyk 0 points1 point  (1 child)

https://russianfilmhub.com/

[–]lordDEMAXUS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Holy shit, thanks. I have that website bookmarked now. I couldn't find the Russian movies you mentioned on YouTube by doing a simple YouTube search. Didn't know that those movies were just hidden from YouTube's search algorithm and that I had to dig deeper.

[–]IamBetterThanYou15 2 points3 points  (2 children)

aye aye captain, everything is free on the internet

[–]frankdracmanphd 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Remember, you're better than everyone so you know how to get stuff for free. Peasants like me wind up purchasing stuff because we're too dumb to pirate. 😉

[–]IamBetterThanYou15 0 points1 point  (0 children)

your comment makes no sense, actually it does, but it makes no sense really

[–]royalsanguinius 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve only seen 39 of them, I honestly was expecting that number to be at least a little bit higher. Looks like I’ve got some catching up to do, and I think I’ll start with the Akira Kurosawa movies since I’ve always wanted to watch them anyway

[–]lanternsinthesky 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I got 150, which is way more than I expected.

[–]StormWildman7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Neeeeeeeerrrrrrdddddd! I got 83, which I was expecting.

[–]psychobilly1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I got 104. I need to watch more foreign/older films.

[–]AceLarkin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I got into older films last year. After you watch a few, you'll start to appreciate them more until you gain momentum and never look back. I've been on the hype train since. Just scour lists like this, keep an open mind, and most of them will be hits for you.

[–]Travkin2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

that's way more than most

[–]Sliffy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think I hit 59/60 that I’ve definitely watched, some of the older ones I’m not sure about. There’s good odds I’ve seen bits and pieces or just don’t remember watching some when I was younger. And then there’s several that I know I’ve seen some of, not all, but they’re so mainstream that I feel like I’ve seen it already and don’t feel the need to watch it. That’s mostly the Pixar/Deniro/western portion of the list.

[–]MaimedJester 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If you're going to get Started, Dr. Strangelove is the most fun of them. Like yes Casablanca and others are greater technical achievements and compelling. But the most Fun one is Dr. Strangelove. Precious Bodily Fluids

[–]BigLouLFD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gentlemen! No fighting in the War Room!!!

[–]therealcliffbooth 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Overall it's a very good list. Nice job. If I have a bone to pick with this list it's that you need to have a way to account for the differences in the number of reviews that a film has. A film that has 33K reviews on a site like IMDB can't be weighed the same as another one that has over one million reviews. I also think there should be some type of requirement for minimum number of years since the film was released. Both of those factors really fudge up the numbers IMHO. I was able to copy/paste the data in an Excel document so I can sort by audience, or critic rating versus the overall ranking which provides some interesting differences between the two. Lists like this are always going to draw some controversy. You almost have to make a list of top 25 films by decade to account for some of the differences. It's interesting to see that in a list like this that that the horror and comedy genre's are noticeably undervalued. You get your Chaplin and Keaton films, but nothing from Apatow or Hughes.

[–]ReelStats[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I definitely agree with you on that but have not been able to come up with a solid algorithm/equation to account for it. Do you have any ideas?

[–]new_brassica 5 points6 points  (1 child)

This is a great list! Good job on compiling it.

One thing that gets missed on these lists is polarizing films. If 75% of the critics/audience found a movie to be the best ever, but 25% found it awful, then it would miss the list. I wonder it would be possible to make a list that recognizes such movies.

[–]ReelStats[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thanks!

What you said is definitely possible, but it would take a LOT of time to do that. From my overall spreadsheet, I can tell you that most movies in the top 500/1000 have pretty unanimous ratings across the board. If you have some specific movies in mind, definitely let me know.

[–]totallynotsexpervert 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I'm absolutely astounded by the quality of the list. Usually lists like this are still mostly compiled of what's popular now but it's pleasant seeing so many silent, foreign, and films from the golden age of Hollywood included.

[–]ReelStats[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Really appreciate it!

[–]Is_This_For_Realz 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Something is wrong here. There's no "Die Hard" in the list.

[–]willsherm28 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Who's making this list, Stevie Wonder?

[–]Otto_Matic82 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I always feel like such a schmuck when I bring this up but I simply do not "get" The Godfather. I'm perfectly fine with older movies and slower paced movies. I can even appreciate some excellent individual scenes and performances in The Godfather. But it simply does not hang together as a cohesive film I want to watch at all. I'd rate something like Network, Taxi Driver, or Dog Day Afternoon as much better films of that same era. What am I missing?

[–]I_dont_bone_goats 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For me I’ve never had a movie make me feel like I’m actually in the room the way The Godfather does.

Watching that film genuinely makes me feel an underboss in the mafia.

[–]withtaste 23 points24 points  (9 children)

there is only one movie on this list that completely shocks me with its inclusion - Harry Potter and Deathly Hollows Part 2.

I mean this is basically an inconsequential ok movie that’s only claim to fame is being the last film of a very popular franchise.

the reviews were quite good for its time which i guess is how it made it but in retrospect it seems it wasn’t nearly as good as those initial tales suggested.

[–]Heyouguysss2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Above movies like Beaty and the beast and ben hur no less

[–]NorthFocus 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I wish they had the first movie instead to be honest. Its a lovely faithful adaptation that has such charm to it.

[–]PopsicleIncorporated 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Or the third one. From an adaptational standpoint, Prisoner of Azkaban left a lot out, but taken as its own unique product, it's incredible.

[–]NorthFocus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh yeah, that one is my favorite overall. It has such character and soul. I feel like 4-7 movies miss out of the early charm of the first two, and the deep stylistic aspects of the third

[–]UncleLabs 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Not Spider-Man Into the Spiderverse being at 65?!

[–]ChaoticMidget 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think based on what it set out to do, Spiderverse executes extremely well. Comparatively, HP8 was the culmination of a huge franchise but I think there were plenty of aspects they got "wrong" in the final film. I don't even like Azkaban all too much but I still felt like it was a more engaging film than HP8. And as far as wrap up films go, I think Endgame is a far more memorable film.

[–]withtaste 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it seems too high but it seems a much better and more interesting movie by far. reasonably could be considered the best comic book film

[–]willsherm28 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its there for the same reason as End game, being the satisfactory culmination of a popular franchise.

[–]Solar-Fury 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah but it has the Voldemort laugh

[–]spewing-oil 17 points18 points  (13 children)

I’m going to copy into excel and use to filter by year. No buff, Pre 1960’s is tough for me.

[–]ReelStats[S] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I would definitely give 12 Angry Men, Roman Holiday, Rear Window, Paths of Glory, and North by Northwest a try though

[–]AceLarkin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I watched all of these in the past year and had a blast with every one. The more you give older movies a chance, the easier it is to forget about the age and just appreciate the art.

[–]mrpoodles11 8 points9 points  (5 children)

I’m in the same boat but It’s a Wonderful Life stands out as one that has aged insanely well.

Citizen Kane and Casablanca as well.

[–]ih-unh-unh 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I'm in the same boat as u/spewing-oil, pre 60's movies are a bit of a chore at times.

I've tried watching Citizen Kane multiple times but, like reading Infinite Jest, my attention wanes about 1/4 of the way in.

[–]ObsidianBlackbird666 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The easiest pre-1960 movie to watch is Sunset Boulevard. You won't be bored.

I find noirs really easy to watch too.
Start with Out Of The Past,
Touch of Evil (this one feels extremely modern),
The Killing (Tarantino could have made this),
The Big Sleep (The Big Lebowski is a remake of this one),
and The Maltese Falcon (this film along with Citizen Kane ushered in modern filmaking.

[–]StormWildman7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You just listed my DVDs. But yeah, the shift in how to pace movies feels like it struck in the 70s. Out of the Past is less than an hour and a half.

Touch of Evil is primed for a remake with an actual Mexican lead. You don't even really have to mess with the script. It stings that that was Welles last attempt to get anything made in Hollywood for years.

[–]Heyouguysss2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Start with a comedy then. Thier not slow.

I'd suggest Some like it hot,Duck soup,Night at the opera,It happened one night, City lights, and modern times to start out

Also It's a Wonderful Life(That film is timeless)

[–]spewing-oil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great. I have extra time right now so I’ll give them a shot!

[–]Zorak9379 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Please share the file!

[–]HitchScorTar 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Seen 117 on this list. Highest ranked that I haven't seen is Harakiri. Heard about it obviously, but can someone here who's seen it speak to its quality?

[–]xiaorobear 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I have seen it and think it's excellent. Very very slow buildup (as with a lot of old movies), but it pays off to some very satisfying drama and climax. Great performances.

Another aspect to it that adds to it, is that the director, Masaki Kobayashi, was a pacifist who was drafted in WWII regardless, refused promotion, and spent some time as a POW. So while the movie is a period piece set in the 1600s, its plot dealing with the concept of samurai honor is surely influenced by / commenting on 20th century times as well.

[–]HitchScorTar 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Interesting. Love Tatsuya Nakadai so I will definitely check this out!

[–]xiaorobear 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Let me know what you think! I was also pleasantly surprised to see it o high on the list.

[–]Enartloc 14 points15 points  (8 children)

Some missing from the top of my head :

Out of the Past

Dog Day Afternoon

Brazil

Magnolia

Scarface

Eyes Wide Shut

Heat

Children of Men

Touchez pas au Grisbi

[–]ReelStats[S] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Great eye, a lot of those movies missed out only by a few places.

Notably, Dog Day Afternoon at 265th, Heat at 289th, Out of the Past at 290th, and Brazil at 306th.

[–]StormWildman7 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Where are some of John Huston's films? Maltese Falcon, Key Largo, The Asphalt Jungle, and African Queen are all on my list. (Am I dumb and missed a link?) I understand The Man Who Would Be King not being here, even though I find it on par with Indiana Jones.

[–]ReelStats[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The Maltese Falcon is in the top 300, rest of them are not in the top 500.

[–]StormWildman7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's sad, but thank you.

[–]Cribsby_critter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Heat is such a classic.

[–]bungle_bogs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Deliverence

[–]Heyouguysss2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

American Graffiti is another

[–]Barfhat 7 points8 points  (1 child)

How is no country for old men not on this list?

[–]ReelStats[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

No Country for Old Men narrowly missed the list (ranked 295th)

[–]Misdirected_Colors 28 points29 points  (17 children)

Not enough Nolan in the top 10. This list is fake news /s

[–]2525252525252525252 9 points10 points  (11 children)

The Prestige isn't on the list. That's pretty sad

[–]Misdirected_Colors 22 points23 points  (9 children)

I hope you're being facetious. The Prestige is a fine movie, but it gets WAY overrated here on reddit.

[–]danny841 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Yesterday I hit -7 karma on a post for suggesting that the ending to Interstellar was some B-movie bullshit because the deus ex machina of a wormhole opening in a bookcase was a contrived plot device at best and a tired message that "love is the answer" at worst.

The entire thread was about how stupid Hathaway's love speech was and neckbeards came out of the woodwork to describe how this rambling incoherence was because of her emotional state and not indicative of the point the movie was making. Yet...the deus ex machina literally relies on the viewer believing love is the reason the wormhole opened in a bookshelf and not in some random place thousands of miles away.

[–]2525252525252525252 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I gotta agree with you about Interstellar's ending... The writers dug themselves a deep hole there.

[–]FilmGamerOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Chris asked John to write that bullshit.

[–]joe_k_knows -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I have to agree. I think the movie was ALMOST great. Something didn’t click with me, but it was still very good.

[–]aerospacenut 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Reddit is confusing. I can’t remember if I’m allowed to like Nolan movies or not on here. Either it’s a circlejerk or an anti-circlejerk. Schrodingers echo chamber.

[–]Misdirected_Colors 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can like Nolan movies, they're solid movies, but can we stop treating every one if his movies like they're best of all time movies?

[–]UnsolicitedDuckPecks 10 points11 points  (1 child)

65 Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse

hmm

[–]jacktherambler 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Wow, I got to 13 before it was a movie I'd seen.

I should maybe save this and work my way down the list...

Very cool, thanks!

[–]ReelStats[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Plenty of time to watch. Thanks for the feedback

[–]ih-unh-unh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd start with easier movies (and more recent), like Shawshank Redemption before you delve into headier movies.

[–]SilentCaveat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Only 32 seen. A lot of work to do.

[–]unique_uday 2 points3 points  (0 children)

God's work it is.

[–]big_fella672 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Glad to see Ikiru and Tokyo Story so high up. Such great movies.

[–]lpmkonjibhuvgy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Awesome job. Thanks for doing this!

[–]Cribsby_critter 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Curious if Akira was anywhere near the top 250.

[–]ReelStats[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

In the top 350 movies

[–]Cribsby_critter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right on! It's one of my faves. Thanks for the reply!

[–]LolsEUW 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I think the list is bugged, where is shrek?

[–]ReelStats[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Around the 500th mark.

[–]LolsEUW 0 points1 point  (0 children)

damn my boy shrek isn't getting enough love. Jokes aside, people meme about that movie but it's actually a well made movie :P

[–]NoahCLT 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I am surprised The Social Network or Mad Max isn’t on here. In best of the decade lists that came out like 5 months ago, these movies were everywhere.

[–]ReelStats[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Most of those lists tend to skew more toward critic ratings. Mad Max missed out on the top 250 by only 20 places.

[–]TK-42juan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Inglorious Basterds should be here

[–]honeynuts101 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can't believe No Country For Old Men didn't make the list.

[–]sooperkool 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The Dark Knight is rated higher than Casablanca, Rear Window and Goodfellas. I cannot accept this list as valid.

[–]renee_888 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Little sad that Good Will Hunting didn't make the list :/ such a great film

[–]BabaElvis 20 points21 points  (12 children)

Am I wrong or there isn't a single MCU movie on that list?Wonderful..

[–]ReelStats[S] 15 points16 points  (7 children)

Closest MCU movie is Avengers: Endgame at 299th.

[–]sicklyslick 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Interesting. I can probably think of 2 or 3 movies in MCU that's better than endgame.

What's guardians 1 at?

[–]ReelStats[S] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Endgame is not the best MCU movie for me either. Guardians 1 is 480th, 3rd best in the MCU

[–]W00DERS0N 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Winter Soldier the 2nd best MCU movie, I assume?

[–]ReelStats[S] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Winter Soldier is definitely the best MCU movie imo, but it's #6 in the saga. Second place is Infinity War. Made a list for MCU movies here.

[–]komodo_dragonzord 0 points1 point  (0 children)

glad to see iron man in the top5, love that movie

[–]W00DERS0N 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cool, thx.

[–]bumenkhan -1 points0 points  (2 children)

As it should be. Art is ultimately subjective and no one's opinion is wrong, so you could always say that Step Brothers is better than the Godfather.

However, if you lay some basic guidelines and agree upon them as for what makes a good film : script , direction, acting, cinematography, editing, pacing, themes , plot etc. Marvel Movies are pretty bad. If you want to be generous the best you can call them is above average regarding Avengers.

Of course people may "enjoy" Marvel movies more and therefore think they are better though....

[–]vanillathebest 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Even if CGI most of the time, you can't deny that the cinematography in Marvel movies is mostly stunning (Endgame which final battle was impressive, Guardians and their play with colors and patterns, Winter Soldier with its rawness)

About the acting, I think that a majority of people agree on the fact that the casting for each character has been spot on (obviously Tony Stark, Dr Strange, Cap, Thor, Scarlet Witch, freaking Loki, Thanos...). It takes a lot of skills to combine to play a personality that has been shaped through decades and to bring your own thing that makes the character unique.

Where I agree is the plots, which can be pretty repetitive and the process to "kill the villain" is pretty similar to one another, but you can't deny that each character or group of characters have their own tone and familiarity in their own standalone movies. So it's complex : they look all alike and yet they kinda different too.

[–]obeekaybee7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Goodfellas is the best mobster movie of all time and no list can tell me otherwise.

[–]FedeFSA 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Came here just to check that my favorite movie made the list...

Although I expected it to fare somewhat better, I'm happy that it made it at 198th place :)

It's Monty Python and the Holy Grail btw, so you don't have to scroll THAT far down hehe.

[–]Movieguy669 31 points32 points  (18 children)

You can’t convince me Wall-E, toy story 3, and spider man into the spiderverse are better than taxi driver

[–]Mihairokov 19 points20 points  (2 children)

They're all pretty great films. Just because they're animated doesn't mean they can't be as good or better, since that's what they all have in common vs. Taxi Driver. I'd agree with you on TS3 but WALL-E and Spiderverse are both great films in their own right.

[–]ThatIsWhyImScott 1 point2 points  (1 child)

There is no way that Spiderman: Into the Spider-verse is better than Some Like It Hot, North by Northwest, Chinatown, Gone with the Wind, and the Wizard of Oz.

According to the American Film Institute, Some Like It Hot is the greatest comedy of all time. North by Northwest is one of Hitchcock's greatest thrillers. Chinatown is one of the greatest detective films. Gone with the Wind is the highest-grossing movie of all time, adjusted for ticket price inflation. According to the Library of Congress, The Wizard of Oz is the most-watched movie in history.

Is Into the Spider-verse funnier than the greatest comedy or more suspenseful than Alfred Hitchcock? Are its plot twists more mind-blowing than one of the greatest whodunnits? Is it better than the highest-grossing and most-watched movies of all time?

Animation and live-action are different mediums. This ranking compares incomparable media.

[–]mylox 13 points14 points  (11 children)

Way to compare two completely different types of films. They exist in completely different sides of the medium that its difficult to say one is 'better' than the other because a movie like Wall-E does things that Taxi Driver never attempts and gets you to feel feelings that are completely absent in gritty noir films as a whole. The opposite is true as well, of course. Both films are exemplary entries into their respective genres.

But Wall-E is better than Taxi Driver. fight me

[–]NtheLegend -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Toy Story 2 and 4 were better than 3, too.

[–]somebunnny 13 points14 points  (6 children)

I liked Parasite. I was fine with it getting the Oscar. It’s way too high. Does anyone disagree with this?

[–]domlee87 13 points14 points  (0 children)

No. I think it perfectly encapsulates what society has become over the past 20 years. It's also exceedingly well crafted.

[–]Heyouguysss2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I feel it's becuse alot of them haven't seen as many foreign films or movies in general.

I agree I loved the movie, but iv'e seen better

[–]StormWildman7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Give it time to come down. It's still fresh and new. I also think it deserved to win. "So much symbolism!" and the Hitchcock nods were excellent.

[–]rhombaroti 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Recency bias. Same goes for Portrait of a Lady on Fire sitting higher than Citizen Kane, High and Low, and Double Indemnity.

[–]UnitedWall4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah. I don't fully understand its hype and adoration by critics. Well, it is great, especially the scenario, maybe I didn't have similar fun of watching any film last year - but is it enough to become a masterpiece of all times (what can be suspected from the unprecedented two Oscars for the best movie and the Palme d'Or?).

[–]camwvu 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Where does "Your Name" fall? Anime movie.

[–]Norcalcrusin 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Where in the fuck is JAWS? Do you realize how many records this movie broke? How many filmmakers were inspired and influenced by Spielberg’s masterpiece. This list is fractured with its lack of representation. I don’t care what matrix’s were used. Without JAWS, this list is shit.

[–]ReelStats[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Ranked 284th if it makes you feel any better

[–]StormWildman7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well I certainly do. Love that film. Top 300!

[–]cyanide4suicide 4 points5 points  (7 children)

The fact that The Dark Knight is statistically the greatest superhero film of all time makes me happy.

[–]ReelStats[S] 5 points6 points  (6 children)

It's the best by a significant margin. The second best is Avengers: Endgame, all the way down at 299th and dropping.

[–]theotherhemsworth 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Into the Spider-verse is 65

[–]ReelStats[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're right, I was thinking of other live action superhero movies.

[–]JellyBingo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How did Infinity War do?

[–]ReelStats[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Infinity War is at 457th.

[–]Jack_KH 0 points1 point  (1 child)

And where is Joker?

[–]ReelStats[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Slightly outside top 500, with a big critic/audience discrepancy.

[–]Dawlzzz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this

[–]od44 1 point2 points  (0 children)

AMAZING LIST. Definitely took a lot of time to put together and it shows. Thank you for making it :)

[–]teaqualizer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Excellent Smithers

[–]skeating1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Been working my way through the IMDB too 250. Just crossed the half way point last night. I’ve only seen 78 of these though. Got some work to do!

[–]AlvinTaco 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This is a very solid and strong list of films! A person who really wanted to become a cinephile could use this list and come out actually knowing what they’re talking about. Nice work!

[–]tomcowdrey28 1 point2 points  (0 children)

215 - there will be blood: saw it for the first time last week and wow just wow. Absolute masterpiece, disturbing and depressing but what a great film, daniel day lewis gave one of the best lead performances I have ever seen.

[–]Snake_Plissken224 1 point2 points  (0 children)

no predator? I mean its only the perfect movie.

[–]Gangstacow25 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Wait... I don’t see Surf Ninjas on this list? How is that possible?

[–]richmonetti 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't see Pineapple Express either....Crazy :)

[–]InvideoSilenti 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I am curious. I would have thought "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" would have been quite high on the list overall. Top 50 at least. Popular with critics and viewers. Kind of wondering where it fell and why?

[–]ReelStats[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's 420th lol. Critics gave it very average reviews, especially Metacritic.

[–]adsvx215 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great freaking job, thank you.

[–]jiquvox 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have a Half-empty, half-full glass feeling.

Half-empty on a personal level I know by name most of the movies but haven’t seen most of them. On a general level didn’t see any Marvel movie (and I’m not a huge fan but still they had significant cultural influence and some of them were decent. Iron man, Avengers 1 or Infinity war deserved a nod I think).

Half-full. On a personal level saw 30 percent of them. It actually surprised me but it reminded me of a different time when I was more actively seeking classics and most importantly that it eventually adds up. Just paying a little attention goes a long way. On a general level : There is a good mix : not too many oldies like a Sight and Sound ranking. Not too many recent overrated movie like IMDB.

Good list overall.

[–]evisua 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for your work! That's what I needed!!!

[–]dobikrisz 6 points7 points  (9 children)

After more than 12 years it's still so weird for me that a comic book adaptation about a crazy billionaire who dresses up as a bat and beats people can be one of the best movies of all time. Don't misunderstand me, Dark knight is one of my favorite movies but it still feels weird. Like, there are all these movies about intimacy, greed, love, power, inequality and then there is the movie about two whack jobs who like to dress up and argue who is crazier.

Nolan is truly a genius.

edit: Since people misunderstand my point (I wasn't perfectly clear I know):

" I saw it enough times to quote most of the parts. My point was that on the surface it has a weird premise yet Nolan managed to put substance into it and turn these originally weird characters into a serious movie which deserves its place on the list.

I hoped that adding "Nolan is truly a genius" will clarify this. And yes, it's a masterpiece in its genre." (quote from a reply)

[–]lifeinaglasshouse 7 points8 points  (0 children)

and then there is the movie about two whack jobs who like to dress up and argue who is crazier.

Is this all you got out of the movie? The Dark Knight definitely has a certain depth to it, particularly about the arc of the hero, how power and time tend to corrupt, whether it's right to obey the rule of law when dealing with a terrorist force, the intersection of civil liberties and the safety of society, and whether the ends justify the means.

It's not the deepest movie in the world, but there are some serious themes there.

[–]I_dont_bone_goats 0 points1 point  (2 children)

There are all these movies about intimacy, greed, love, power, inequality

The Dark Knight trilogy hits literally all these themes.

Intimacy - Bruce and talia (TDKR)

Greed - Joker stealing half the mob’s money just to burn it (TDK)

Love - Bruce’s unrequited love for Rachel, to her death (TDK)

Power - like all of it

Inequality - Bane‘s public reasoning for the siege of Gotham was wealth inequality (TDKR)

[–]dobikrisz 0 points1 point  (1 child)

*Sigh...

Yes, I am aware. I saw that damn movie like 15 times. My point was that the surface of the movie has a completely different premise that we actually got.

[–]I_dont_bone_goats 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s.. exactly how themes work..

[–]AcidTaco 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If that's all you remember from this movie I think it would be a good idea to watch it again

I'm not saying this movie is an absolute masterpiece, but there is a lot more to it than "two whack jobs who like to dress up"

[–]dobikrisz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I saw it enough times to quote most of the parts. My point was that on the surface it has a weird premise yet Nolan managed to put substance into it and turn these originally weird characters into a serious movie which deserves its place on the list.

I hoped that adding "Nolan is truly a genius" will clarify this. And yes, it's a masterpiece in its genre.

[–]zombie_3184 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There’s 152 movies on this list that I’m gonna have to try and get through during the rest of this quarantine

[–]lMyOpinionsl 2 points3 points  (4 children)

How is "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" and "For a few dollars more" on the list but the best one in the trilogy "A fistful of dollars" isn't on the list? Honestly "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" was my least favorite of the trilogy (minus the soundtrack) as it is longer than it needs to be whereas "A fistful of dollars" is just the right length. Even "For a few dollars more" starts to get a little long at parts.

[–]theotherhemsworth 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Because A Fistful of Dollars is a ripoff of Yojimbo, which is deservedly on the list.

[–]lMyOpinionsl 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I will check out Yojimbo too then. Thanks for the heads up!

[–]lespaulstrat2 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Not a ripoff. It is a good movie in its own right,

[–]cielofunk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I love both movies, but it is a ripoff. It's pretty much a scene by scene remake.

In Kurosawa's own words: "It is a very fine film, but it is my film."

[–]AmigosConEnsalada 9 points10 points  (8 children)

Whenever I see The Dark Knight in the top 20 on lists like these it just reminds me of how annoying and persistent fanboys are.

[–]ReelStats[S] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Yeah, I personally think top 20 is generous for it. The Dark Knight just has insanely high ratings across all the sites I sourced (rather than 3-4 like others).

[–]AmigosConEnsalada 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I'll give it credit where it's due: it's an incredibly influential movie and it features a fantastic performance, but I can think of at least 20 better movies that came out in the last 20 years that should be ranked higher.

[–]IamBetterThanYou15 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

your opinion man , just remember couple of things. 1. There are two types of movies, the ones you like and dont like. 2. movie, book critics are the most pretentious people to ever exist . 3. for someone comic book movie will have much higher impact than anything hitchkok ever did.4. just because you think something is art ,doesnt mean other people think that too

[–]bumenkhan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, TDK is only high because of its fanboys. It has nothing to do with it being an amazing movie.

If it fanboys had as big of an influence as you think....Marvel would have like 10 movies in the top 100. They have 10x the amount of fanboys as TDK.

[–]ChaoticMidget 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean, at a certain point, it's not just fanboys and the new generation. It doesn't quite hit 90% for the critics but it's pretty damn close and it's higher rated by the critics than a lot of the Miyazaki films, Silence of the Lambs, Lion King, 2 of the LotRs and Empire Strikes Back.

And almost as a counter to my point, the critic average for Shawshank is almost the lowest score on the list. So it's not like either side is going to be "objectively" right.

[–]BabaElvis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It was a first of its kind blockbuster.

[–]DukeGordon -1 points0 points  (1 child)

What do you mean?

[–]PhilipRegular 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Dark Knight is a legitimately great film. This is coming from a person that hates superhero films.

[–]aja_ramirez 3 points4 points  (3 children)

You’re telling me there wasn’t a single tie?

[–]accdaen 11 points12 points  (1 child)

58.Star Wars and 59.A Separation both have the same overall of 87.36

[–]dtsyk 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I would have A Separation above Star Wars for it’s alphabetical victory.

[–]ReelStats[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There were surprisingly few. Since the average was calculated from so many sources, movies had different decimal values even if they seem to be tied based on rounding to 2 decimal places.

[–]centipedeboy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good will hunting is better than a bunch of these movies including parasite

[–]uSeeSizeThatChicken 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Inception at #96 is overrated.

Trainspotting at #197 is underrated.

[–]mharishaider 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And that is only your opinion. Those sites don't agree with you.

[–]Ichigoarc 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Damn. Akira Kurosawa is a powerhouse. So many movies in just the top 100.

[–]Melechesh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

10% of the top 50.

[–]NOWiEATthem 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Citizen Kane sitting at 43, killed by audience score. Probably not helped by its age and its reputation as "the best movie ever" drawing iconoclastic bad reviews.

[–]CephalopodRed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, it is still pretty high on the list.

[–]kuwetka 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I've watched 98/250 of these. It's still heavily "imdb-ish" and "old untouchable canon" mix, but good list nontheless. For sure a good reminder for me to eventually watch those few certain films that occupy my watchlist for years.

I've compared it with my rating database, and those are the movies that I've ranked 9-10/10 over the years and aren't on that list:

Boogie Nights

Mad Max: Fury Road

Dog Day Afternoon

Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

Au Revoir Les Enfants

Man on the Moon

American Psycho

Rushmore

Moonrise Kingdom

Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?

Rio Bravo

The Wild Bunch

Akira

Gummo

Harold and Maude

Mary and Max

Fantastic Mr. Fox

Inglourious Basterds

Kill Bill: Vol. 1

Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills

Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri

Chungking Express

Monos

After I listed them I see that those movies mostly kinda fall within the parameters of that list.

[–]ReelStats[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's a solid list. Most of them are in the top 500, with some like Mad Max, Dog Day Afternoon, Au Revoir Les Enfants, and Rio Bravo in the top 300.

[–]cjsanx2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mary and Max

No. 163

[–]dtsyk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Critic scores really fucked over Fight Club here

[–]MontaukWanderer -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

It still warms my heart seeing The Dark Knight high across the boards in aggregate lists like this one. Such a great movie. Deserves its place among the best. I don’t think it’s that hard to argue it being the best comic book movie ever.

[–]Fthewigg 9 points10 points  (3 children)

After your first sentence (it’s your heart after all) I disagree with every single word you said. I won’t speculate which comic inspired movie is the best, but it’s not this one.

I’ve tried several times to understand what the hype is about and I just can’t. I really like Batman Begins, Bale, Oldman, Batman in general, Two Face, and the Joker. I appreciate how unique Heath’s portrayal was. Somehow when it’s all mixed together in its final state, it just doesn’t work for me. I get what it’s trying to do, but I think it fails.

This is all subjective. I certainly don’t begrudge others’ appreciation for it. I just can’t see it. Seeing it as a top 15 movie of all time is just incomprehensible to me.

[–]UnsolicitedDuckPecks 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yeah like the movie is good. Maybe it is the best comic book movie ever. But why it is so high in this particular list?

[–]BabaElvis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel the same about LOTR.

Its a well done fantasy epic.But thats about it. Too much cheese at times.

[–]YoullNeverMemeAlone 3 points4 points  (3 children)

There's lots of competition for best comic book movie, for me personally Logan was better for instance. It's certainly not clear cut.

[–]joe_k_knows -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I have to see Logan again. It didn’t really do much for me when I first saw it in all honesty. Good performances, but I wasn’t a fan of the story.

[–]acetoner1882 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Awesome thanks. One little thing, Pretty sure 24 is just "The Dictator" no big deal, easy to mix them up.

[–]matchstick515 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe I missed it, but I would be interested to see the weights involved in averaging the critics and audience's ratings

[–]thecrash63[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. So close!

[–]Sotanath 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've seen 91. Surprised how many I've missed tbh although more than half the list was released before I was born.

[–]LeAnthonyJavis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven’t even seen 50 of these.

[–]manyiak90 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I have only watched about 40 of these, time to get to work I guess. Thanks for the list.

The worst thing will be trying to find individual streaming services where these movies can be found.

[–]ReelStats[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

0123movie.net has pretty much every one of these, just install AdBlock before you start watching lol

[–]Moke_Smith 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can see a good handful on the Hoopla and Kanopy apps, free streaming "checkouts" linked to your library account.

[–]Taskerst 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No Fury Road? I thought both critics and fans loved that one.

[–]ReelStats[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ranked 269th, barely missed out

[–]Thyste 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've watched 122 of these 250, so nearly half of them.

[–]BigLouLFD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn, 131 movies to watch...

[–]Jackamo78 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Glad Good Will Hunting was noted as almost being in there. It’s an amazing movie.

[–]calculatorb00bs 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Ok but where did Shrek land on this list? I definitely think it can compete with some of the other animated films on this list

[–]ReelStats[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Around the 500th mark.

[–]Heyouguysss2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's become a victim of "sifinleid isn't funny" and ironic memes that ruin the films prestige it once had.

[–]LilGyasi 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Looks like I should finally watch The Godfather. I just feel like it can’t be as good or age as well as people keep telling me 😭

[–]rickroll62 0 points1 point  (0 children)

2 is better but 1 is great 👍. Watch it, whatever you do don't watch 3

[–]bustedbuddha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm noticing a disturbing lack of "Groundhog's Day" on this list.

Edit: holy shit, someone please correct me as I have to be wrong, but there's no Bill Murray on this list.

[–]Odusei 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This list makes me salty. Godfather Part II is always going to rank higher for me than I.

[–]puppetmaster2501 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What of End of Evangelion? I know some sites have controversy over including it in their lists due to it being arguably the end of a TV show and not a film. It's interesting how it does show up in some lists and not others depending on how a community decides.

[–]theLephty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pan's Labyrinth on there... omg, sometimes human's are tough for me to love... Also, Speed Racer 2008 is the true greatest of all time.

[–]FrankHovis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

An Excel sheet with filters Let me know if there's a different/better host and I'll post it there too.

Alternative, no email req'

You can sort by Audience, Average or Critic score etc. There are some big movers if you sort by Audience score. Fight Club, Matrix and Life is Beautiful for example.

I coloured the cells on my copy - red for not seen

orange for seen,but years ago or only once and don't really remember much of it

green for seen recently or multiple times.

I've got 156 red to have a go at...

[–]chughes717 0 points1 point  (0 children)

54 down, 196 to go!

[–]Tehbeefer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Toy Story ranked higher with critics than the general audience by more than 9 and a half points? I would not have guessed that.

[–]asian_identifier 0 points1 point  (1 child)

lol wtf on Douban, the #8 best scored film is Hachi... yes that doggo film with Richard Gere

[–]ReelStats[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, Douban and Naver ratings are sometimes very mysterious.

[–]MakeItHackin 0 points1 point  (2 children)

why isn't back to the future on this list

[–]ReelStats[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Should be 64th

[–]MakeItHackin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

looks like I need to go Back To The Optometrist. Thanks!

[–]FilmGamerOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love that 12 Angry Men is#2. One of the only old movies that's still good. Django should not be on there though.

[–]FilmGamerOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've seen 100 of these films. A lot of the old ones have prestige that shouldn't be there.

[–]Heyouguysss2 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Can you please make one for Documentaries?

It's a hard to find a list of the greatest documentaries of all time

[–]ReelStats[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Will be my next project

[–]SparkeyT 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are two problems with that list: No Smokey, and no Bandit.

[–]ThunderEcho100 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Toy story 3 at 57....

I know there's probably no objective way to qualify/disqualify but I feel like kids movies get overpraised sometimes. I say this as someone with several kids.

[–]Zeptari 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Star Wars , toy story and back to the future .All 3 seem like they should be higher.

[–]Synrise 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe I need to rewatch Wall- E or I don't remember it that well, but seeing it at #48 !?? is the one that immediately stood out for me while scrolling through this list.

[–]SuitableNight 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Overall lists like this are always fun to argue about since there is no truly 'good' way to make the list. I always thought what would be most enlightening would be to pair an overall list like this with several top 50 lists by genre. Things like horror or action usually get passed over for the more heavily favored dramas.

[–]ReelStats[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thinking about doing that for my next few posts.

[–]cinvro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think TSPDT does similar things by incorporating more pools from media and film critics.

[–]Sneezes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this list made me realize i am NOT a movie connoisseur, i have seen only like 5 of the top 20 here

[–]UncleLabs 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No Wes Anderson on this list? Feels bad.

[–]ReelStats[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Grand Budapest Hotel almost squeezed in, missed out by ~40 places.

[–]UnitedWall4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's surprising that Harry Potter, Indiana Jones, Pulp Fiction or Alien have better scores from critics than the general audience, i would bet the opposite.

[–]DarthStormwizard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am consistently surprised how Inside Out makes it onto any best movies lists. It's not even top ten Pixar.

[–]Raemnant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Harakiri being so high on the list fill me with joy. Its such a good movie, I tell people about it all the time. It has the best build up I've ever seen. There is no beginning>middle>end, its just Build>explode

[–]Kpofasho87 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't see children of men on this unless I missed it which is a big surprise to me.

I like seeing some of the movies that made this list that while all were highly ranked by critics and audience some of the differences were surprising imo. Like 12 years a slave for example where public gave it 81.81 and the critics gave it 94.00. At quick glance there are a couple with a 10 point difference between the two but that is definitely one of the biggest differences.

Edit: the leopard might be the winner at quick glance with public 82.42 and a critic rating of 97.30. Haven't seen this so I'll have to check it out

Then going the other way fight club has a public rating of 87.99 and critic 70.88. Fascinating to me these movies that had a group either really meh to the movie while the other absolutely loved it.

[–]Gelgisen 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Full top 1000 list somewhere possible?

[–]ReelStats[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Posting it in a couple weeks/months

[–]Qegixar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Am I missing something about The Godfather Part II? I loved the first one, but part II felt slow and pointless and didn't really explore anything that the first one hadn't already done better.

[–]PlRATE 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Great list. Can you post 250+ ?

[–]ReelStats[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Will do so soon

[–]PlRATE 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Thanks, good job 😁

Do the critics reviews skew these results much? If so do you know of any good audience only lists? I rarely have the same tastes as critics

[–]ReelStats[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They shouldn’t skew them too much, as higher movies also tend to have higher critic ratings. However, you could copy the top 250 into a spreadsheet and sort based on audience scores.

[–]SlimmyShammy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very shocked to see Princess Kaguya on here, didn’t see that coming.

I also realise now I’ve only seen 20 of these. I’ve got some movies to watch lol

[–]Jack_KH 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You also should've used Kinopoisk (russian imdb).

[–]ReelStats[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Will check it out for sure, thanks

[–]Britneyfan456 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No Robert Altman?

[–]Paddy2015[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was halfway through Le Trou when Amazon removed it, so frustrating. Great film though.

[–]randuumguy001 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks a lot.

[–]Spktra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Surprised how to train your dragon didn't make it there, all three movies had similar ratings

[–]Jcondut 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Hi op what was Batman begins and dark knight rises ratings and rank?

[–]ReelStats[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

TDKR is 408th with a score of around 82.5, which I honestly think is a bit high.

Batman Begins is 452nd with a score of around 82.2.

[–]Jcondut 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Thank you:) . I love tdkr so I kinda hope it goes up more but I’m pretty happy with it and the trilogy as a whole ratings and rankings. Surprised the mcu isn’t higher. Are you thinking about adding more sites to the rating? There’s some like allocine and kinopoisk that have a large group of movie ratings.

[–]ReelStats[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Yeah, pretty much everyone loves the Nolan Batman movies. The MCU doesn't quite get the same amount of love. I'm currently planning on adding those two along with Filmweb, RateYourMusic, some other international ones. Would appreciate any additional sources as well, thanks.

[–]Jcondut 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Csfd.cz moviemeter.nl taste.io vudu google play also iTunes filmstarts.de maoyan mtime.cn Daum mrqe These are all on the ones I can think of for sites

[–]ReelStats[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Csfd.cz and moviemeter.nl are great, thanks a lot. Let me know if you can find any more.

[–]Jcondut 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Absolutely I’ll keep a look out

[–]ReelStats[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Appreciate it

[–]IamtheOgg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

50’s movies suckkkk 👎🏽 90s & 70’s 👌🏽 1994 is the greatest year in movies history

[–]rabidchicken618 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Tarantino made it on the list 3 times. Pretty solid.

[–]TraptNSuit 6 points7 points  (4 children)

This list likes violence...a lot.

[–]your_mother_official 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, people out here thinking that parasite is one of the greatest movies of all time...

[–]keaoli 0 points1 point  (0 children)

62, not awful

[–]lifeinaglasshouse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve seen 120/250. So close to 50%! I’ve spent the past few years watching a ton of classic movies though, so if you’d shown me this list in 2014 I probably would’ve only seen 50 or so.

[–]AttyFireWood 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Once Upon a Time in America is better than the Godfather. Fight me.

[–]asp252526 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The release of the American cut really ruined the acclaim the movie received. Too bad though since I just watched the 3:40 cut and it was amazing

[–]Fake_William_Shatner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What shocks me is that I don't think this list is very off. How is it that diverse people can come together and agree on good films (within a margin of error) but not make good decisions on other things?

It seems to me, that humanity is a lot smarter than we are given credit.

Of course, I'd like to see "16 Candles" and "Big Trouble in Little China" on that list -- or, honorable mention.

[–]wra1th42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hot takes: Sunset Boulevard, The Dark Knight, and Harry Potter 8 are overrated. Cinema Paradiso, Dog Day Afternoon, and Your Name are underrated

[–]oopsallberries216 0 points1 point  (1 child)

A reddit list with a selection from all different eras and parts of the world, that doesn't make my eyes roll back into my head, and with no Interstellar in the top 20. Nice! Upvoted.

[–]batsoupvirus 0 points1 point  (1 child)

RT froze the rise of skywalker's score at 86% the day it came out and it never moved again... Dont believe their lies.

[–]ReelStats[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Their verified audience rating was 86%. I took the general audience metric which was more accurate.

[–]ThePromisedJuan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dark knight is way too low. Garbage list!

[–]phileo -1 points0 points  (9 children)

Wow, you beat me to it, nice work! I was actually doing the same thing but you are way ahead in regards to the amount of movies already in this list.

What I realised early on is that old movies are much higher represented with better ratings compared to newer movies. I watched like 60-70% of all those movies and (in my opinion) a lot of those old movies did not age well and therefore don't deserve such high ratings anymore. For example The Godfather surely was a milestone back in the days but by todays standard, this is more of a 7/10. What do you guys think?

[–]phenix714 3 points4 points  (7 children)

In what way do you think The Godfather has aged?

[–]phileo 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Sound effects, costumes, special effects, etc.

[–]phenix714 1 point2 points  (5 children)

But The Godftather has no special effects? And the costumes are perfect, I don't see how you think they are flawed. The sound is cool unless you don't like the style of old recordings.

[–]chlomyster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But The Godftather has no special effects?

Yes it does though. Or do you mean computer generated effects?

[–]phileo 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Of course the movie has special effects. The shootouts for example are represented unrealistically (gun shot sound and missing recoil). Minor things but it adds up. The costumes were great at the time but seem a little cheap compared to what is nowadays standard. It's little things that. I'm not saying its a bad movie but it has definitely aged. The pacing is also very slow for todays standard but that is more of a subjective matter. Just imagine the movie came out today just like it is. I don't think it would be as well received as back in the days.

[–]phenix714 0 points1 point  (2 children)

How are the modern standards better? The period movies made today generally look bad compared to The Godfather. It remains an exceptionally made movie, and will always be because it's hard to find real flaws in its production.

[–]phileo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No argument on you last part. There are almost not production flaws. But in regards to modern standards, I have to disagree. Current period movies like Irishman or Live by Night are technically much better executed (due to technical advancements and the learning curve of movie making).

[–]phenix714 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll have to disagree here, I think those two movies pale in comparison to The Godfather.

And it's funny that you criticized The Godfather for its special effects, because I literally had a hard time watching The Irishman because of the bad CGI.

[–]ReelStats[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Would love to see your list as well.

Agree with your second point. Older classics get rated much higher critically, partly because they get reviewed by people who choose to watch them; modern movies have many more reviews so they tend to get dragged down. Audience scores can reflect the quality better in this case.